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Single player and online games => SWAT4 => Topic started by: [_PhoeniX_] on 2005-04-11 01:34:58



Title: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [_PhoeniX_] on 2005-04-11 01:34:58
Problems with SWAT 4:

1. Unauthorized use of deadly force: you can ONLY shoot someone if their weapon is pointed at you. When deployed IRL, if a suspect has a weapon pointed in ANY direction but STRAIGHT down, deadly force is authorized. (Note that SWAT snipers have almost unlimited discretion on taking down armed subjects in most hostage situations)

2. Problem inherent with problem 1 is that AI can seemingly snap the gun and fire in the same instant, compounded with:

3. Suspect shooting stutter. When suspect fires, game freezes for half a second, just long enough for player to get killed.

4. No LTL M4. Hard to get the suspects with gas masks to comply to pepperballs. Either LTL shotgun or pepperball.... riiiiight.

5. Snipers being controlled by players: kinda difficult to be sniping and assaulting at the same time, isn't it?

6. No trailers: problem being that every suspect in every INTENTIONALLY convoluted map can come behind you. I understand it might be a problem implementing, but stop saying "trailers enroute." Terribly unrealistic to NOT have trailers.

7. Persistent hostages. Okay... since you don't have trailers, the hostages have to stay. IRL, the trailers get the hostages out immediately. But since you don't have trailers, the hostages have to stay, since we're adhering to realism, right? Well NOT having trailers is inherently unrealistic in the FIRST place, so let's not kid ourselves.


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [furrycat] on 2005-04-11 17:47:46
8. Pepperball's classification as LTL allows players to shoot on sight without issuing compliance first.  Raven Shield + Paintball = SWAT4.


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: nN on 2005-04-11 18:28:39
9. Suspect/hostage spawns not random enough


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Don_T_Shoot] on 2005-04-12 03:57:28
Hmm, thought they were plenty random enough.



Pepperball gun = worse for game than TL-8?


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [_PhoeniX_] on 2005-04-12 05:04:38
I point you all to a situation that just occurred today in Orange County (California, not New York or Florida). Two suspects knocked off a liquor store, and upon exiting, were confronted by two police officers. Both officers were promptly shot, and the suspects fled. Orange County Sheriff's Department SWAT was called in to "bring order to chaos." When they found one of the guys, they shot him as soon as they felt threatened by the fact that he had a weapon.



Case closed. Fucking Sierra.


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Muff-Dvr] on 2005-04-12 12:58:26
So what you are all saying is that i should save my $$, at least till the 1st patch?


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Don_T_Shoot] on 2005-04-12 13:31:20
If you like, I think it's damn fun. Not perfect, but it doesn't suck.  Scores are kind of a side game anyhow,  since even SWAT3 marked you down unfairly at times.



So far, on a scale of RvS to SWAT3, I'd put this at about 75% of the way to SWAT3.



Changes I'd like to see, but may have to wait for modding to be enabled:


  • Needs the old style commands back

  • Names on the back of the officers instead of floating above them

  • Suspects need to have a chance of going rogue again after they have surrendered, this permanant surrender thing is not fun and not realistic.

  • Since trailers aren't there, at least bring back SWAT3's invisible magic trailers so the place isn't littered with cuffed suspects and sausages.

  • Would prefer a little faster movement in "run" mode.

  • Some better way to determine when a suspect's gun is up. SWAT3 had this problem but it is worse here, they go from gun down to shooting you in the face in 0.000001 seconds a little too often.





 


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: nN on 2005-04-12 15:16:02
Quote:

Orange County (California, not New York or Florida)




As in Califoorniiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a, here we coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomme?


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: Digger on 2005-04-12 15:24:56
I keep losing my gun when using handsdown. sad



I mean, losing what gun I'm using.



and where are the batons - I've been in charge of a MP coy, and if there's one thing they use, it's bloody batons! (do they start bloody, or just finsih that way...)



me likey

Diggoddler likey

Digglet Mk2 not likey



seeing Diggoddler also liked FSW, I'm going with Digglet v2 on this one.



wifey not likey Digglets liking me likey wot they not likey



/me makes a note to stop talking to diggoddler and typing at same time.



ah well, last night in town, I'm is allowed to be [drunk]

 


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Don_T_Shoot] on 2005-04-12 15:50:24
Digger wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 12:24



ah well, last night in town, I'm is allowed to be [drunk]

 






Roffle Waffle


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: -Dick on 2005-04-12 22:51:13
Lol, yup, [digger] is a [furry]






Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Don_T_Shoot] on 2005-04-13 13:20:50
.  The classic mode is close, but tabbing through the teams and having no teams in multiplayer is teh suck.  Also SWAT4 menu is too big, doesn't need that background.  Minor complaint, but if I can change it I will.



A reference as to what tactical item is where would be nice too.  But I suppose that I'll memorize the buttons in time, especially since they aren't much different than SWAT3. I'm having a hard time reading that post


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [ L0wZ0ne ] on 2005-04-15 13:50:20
ommand system - ever noticed how relatively difficult it is to let your "team" know that you're "deploying gas, entering first and clearing left"?  smile



Also among the many gripes I have about the game in its first week are some pretty unforgivable ones:



  - No designated EL role.

  - No lightsticks.

  - Unsecured suspects who won't re-arm the second you are out of sight.

  - Lack of an auto kick function for idle players on dedicated servers.



Sometimes it even feels like the developers were once a bunch of DMers who played SWAT 3 for about 10 minutes, 5 years ago and have done their best to recreate the experience from memory alone.



Despite all this I may end up playing if only to get back with some old mates for a laugh or two. nod From my experience with the MP demo, if


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Luedog] on 2005-04-15 14:59:10
life, and freekin cool


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Don_T_Shoot] on 2005-04-15 16:13:28
his password FFS?  And furry, stop posting under Lue's name!!And to quote someone posting under the n


Title: Re: SWAT 4 issues
Post by: [Don_T_Shoot] on 2005-04-15 16:15:01
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Sometimes it even feels like the developers were once a bunch of DMers who played SWAT 3 for about 10 minutes, 5 years ago and have done their best to recreate the experience from memory alone.




 lol Perhaps hard coded to punish [furryclan]

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